Saw the Joker with Joaquin Phoenix. Wasnt really impressed and have no idea why people would walk out the theater or there would be alarm for probable violence. I’ve seen worse that caused no eyebrows to be raised at all.
The first thing that crossed my mind is “so a black woman is going to become attached to a weird white dude that was following her around. Who’s fucking fantasy is that? 🙄” OK so that’s my only spoiler because that part was too much a suspension of disbelief.
Domino (Deadpool) and Mrytle Snow (American Horror Story) was in this movie. Cool characters that made them totally memorable but totally forgettable and DOA in this movie. They could have been replaced by anyone and you wouldn’t care or notice but at least they are getting paid.
Phoenix did well in his performance of this traumatically abused and mentally ill Joker but this particular backstory is hollow and convoluted. You don’t know what’s real and what’s part of his imagination, which is intended but thwarts the story. There is a difference between ‘leaving something to the imagination’ and just leaving one altogether confused. This story was confusing and it wasn’t something that made you think about moral parallels after it was over (something that seems to be intended but fell slightly short). Normally I like these kind of characters and have some sympathy and understanding for them but I didn’t feel that for this version of the Joker (or any of them except Ledger). No sympathy and minor compassion I had but I really didn’t care if he lived or died like a Greek tragedy. His dying as a type of ordinary people’s arch hero might have been more fitting for the storyline but we all know he winds up in Arkham Asylum. Its hard to picture this Joker, who’s already 30 years old to Batman’s 12, giving Batman a run for his money in 20 or 30 years. He’ll be too old and he lacks the sarcasm, wit, macabre humor and forethought of his predecessors.
“Do I look like a man with a plan?” – Ledger.
Well yes, actually you do. More so than this one. Nothing was set up like the bank robbery in Dark Knight. This was just a man following his haphazard whims to kill at the moment and then ponder ‘who am I? I thought I was somebody then found out I was a literal nobody. Oh I’m gonna be solmebody alright!’
As I said, Joaquin Phoenix was great although his manic laughter seemed forced and unnatural. That was likely intentional but it lacked that maniacal charm of the other Jokers. Phoenix has a weird bod but he’s always been attractive to me. A little dark, weird, and mysterious. I like that and see it both in himself and some of the characters he plays. I like his dancing in this movie especially the first one in the bathroom. I thought it was theatrical and graceful.
Leto might have gotten the most flack for this character’s portrayal but I like the different incarnations of this character. They all stand well on their own. My least favorite is probably Caesar Romero but even he did well for that campy amusement that was 1960s Batman. My favorite is the sarcastic deadpan one liners of Ledger and Nicholson but I like the look and attitude of Leto.
After I watch movies I often read the reviews, blogs, articles and synopses of them. I read some of them for this movie and many kept referencing ‘The Killing Joke’ animated movie. I hadn’t seen it because I don’t care for cartoons (outside of Saturday morning Looney Tunes lol). I finally saw it recently. I didn’t like it. I was disturbed by the main female character, a wannabe superhero named ‘Batgirl’ playing an overtly sexualized second fiddle to an overbearing paternalistic father-figure that is Batman, who berates all her efforts in crime-fighting and trying to subdue a criminal who also sees her as nothing more than a piece of meat to be toyed with.
As if that wasnt enough, she is casually shot and maimed by the Joker as if she’s nothing more than background fodder. I thought she was something more than that, superheroes don’t get permanently maimed! And her near-fatal injury does nothing to excel the story. Batman doesn’t seem to care and her dad becomes some type of naked pawn in a Joker’s game of psychotic BDSM. The Joker also has her chained and naked dad look upon the naked pics of her scattered on the wall of an abandoned carnival ride.
I often heard and read that the origins of famous comics, nursery rhymes and fairy tales are dark but oh shit 😲🧐.
Batman reluctantly goes to save Batgirl’s father from the Joker. Her father, interestingly enough, doesn’t want him killed but wants him ‘tried by the book.’ Batman subdues the Joker, says he can’t kill him because they are somehow intricately linked and need to get to know each other more, the Joker tells him a joke, and they both start laughing like demented old friends.
CUT!
And what. The. Fuck 🤔🙄
So ofcourse I go looking up (white) feminist theory on this and wasnt disappointed at what I found. They called out the same sexist and misogynistic plotline I saw in the movie. Besides sharing the main characters of the Joker and Batman/Brucewayne, I still didn’t understand what connection this this particular animated comic had on the live-action versions of Batman and the Joker.
Let me digress and say I’m not a fangirl with a lot of history and knowledge about comic books or the popular forms of media it creates. I never read a graphic novel outside the little leaf booklets they gave in school. I’m not a fan of cartoons and series based on DC and Marvel graphic novels. My interest only developed a few years ago when I accompanied someone to see a live-action Marvel movie after the genre and movies had gotten hugely popular. My companion filled me in on some history and subplots from the comic book and movie genre.
I’ve seen all of the DC and Marvel movies from the last 3 years. This version of the Joker seemed glum and uninteresting but in keeping with my newfound interest I had to check it out. A computer in hand makes it easy to learn about things and get more information on stuff I’m curious about.
After seeing the new Joker movie and reading the more feminist reviews on ‘The Killing Joke’ I did make an unexpected connection between the two.
In the ‘The Joker’ starring Joaquin Phoenix, there is a scene where he takes everything out of the refrigerator and crawls in. It was weird and I didn’t get it. I thought ‘what a weird and uncomfortable way to kill yourself by suffocation.’ The reviews I watched on youtube didn’t make any mention of it either. I don’t think many people understood the meaning or significance of crawling into the refrigerator. A few fanboys wrote of it being a ‘womb’ or ‘escape’ to some place frozen and void and emerging as the deranged Joker.
In my online research of ‘The Killing Joke,’ I learned about a trope called ‘women in refrigerators.’ ‘Tropes’ are hackneyed cliches that always seem to happen anywhere or in particular situations like ‘the black guy always dies first in a movie’ or ‘women running through the woods in high heels while being chased by a deranged killer.’ This is stuff you can always expect to happen no matter what and there’s even running jokes and parodies in the common movie tropes themselves.
So the ‘women in refrigerator’ trope is about women sacrificing themselves (becoming a victim to torture, rape, and murder) to move the male protagonist along in a movie.
According to wiki: //”Women in Refrigerators’ is a website created in 1999 by a group of feminist comic-book fans that lists examples of the superhero comic-book trope whereby female characters are injured, raped, killed, or depowered (an event colloquially known as fridging), sometimes to stimulate “protective” traits (of male characters). It is often a plot device intended to move a male character’s story arc forward, and seeks to analyze why these plot devices are used disproportionately on female characters.”//
Well, I already know why this plot device is used ‘disproportionately on female characters.’ History and societal sexism and misogyny ofcourse.
But lo and behold, this gives a different take to the Joker going inside his refrigerator.
Like the women in this particular movie-media trope, he is powerless. Stunted. Maimed. A literal nobody. He can not grow anymore as a character and a person so he’s been sacrificed to move his other male character arc along, his alter ego, The Joker. So the fanboys were right about it being a metaphorical ‘womb’ and ‘escape.’ The coldness matches his white look and personality, but it was the fanGIRLS who went deeper into their analysis of character tropes and whomever directed this movie came up with that wonderful inside gem (intentional or intentional? 🤔).
I like. I like it much.
And I would not have understood it or known it it until I read of it and started making connection
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